So, in theory, we want t-shirts, yes?

[Elle]

Well, if someone has to attempt to put together a design for one, what sorts of things would you guys want? I know the name, and maybe the web address. I don't want to make it too feminine, because that would not help our cause. I just need some brainstorming here to find out what would make people happy.

[Catty-the-spy]

If we're going to do t-shirts, we should have a logo. Not just the name, but...something recognizable, simple, and interesting all at once.
I wish I could draw.
Anyway, we might be able to make such a logo match the site. Yes?
Or maybe just slogan shirts? Like United Way: they have shirts with the name and logo and stuff, and then they have the "Live United" shirts.
I guess first we'd have to decide on one, but...just tossing out ideas here.

[Lance]

I personally think it would be great if we had a few basic t-shirts with slogans, and then perhaps once we have the website design figured out, make some t-shirts based on those designs. For now, anything you've got, let's see it!

[MrEccentric]

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[Xerxies]

I think slogans/logos are a GREAT idea! Gets people asking. ;D Be a great way to get the word out. Wear them all the time wherever we go. Maybe have the website address? I really love this idea, it's a good way to unite the effort.
EDIT: Maybe we could have different shirt colors/logos for people on different areas of The Team? Like, red for artists, blue for writers, etc? ...XD! Redshirts...

[Elle]

Ah! I love the color ideas. That would certainly get people's attention.
For the logo, someone on the old forum (forgive me for not remembering who you were) mention having the logo be like an eye. Maybe have a little symbol in the pupil or something?

[Catty-the-spy]

So long as Proofreaders/Writers aren't redshirts....
Hmm...eyes? Sounds okay. Maybe binoculars?
Not just t-shirts either. Like, we could have hats and bags (because it would be easier for me to show it off everywhere if it was a bag, but that's just me).

mwa!!
p.s.: Happy pre- Fourth of July!!!

[MrEccentric]

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[Elle]

I think the mods and leaders should be yellow, the writers/proofreaders and artists blue, and the supporters red? Mostly because I'm a sucker for blue.

[MrEccentric]

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[Elle]

Oh. Shoot. Didn't think of that...Any suggestions?

[MrEccentric]

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[Elle]

That would work. Mods could have a little sheriff type badge, and the artists could have a smiley face with a beret. XD

[MrEccentric]

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[Catty-the-spy]

Plain old supporters should probably be white or black.

So would it be:
Supporter - white (or black)
Writer/Proofreader - blue
Artist - Red
Mod - Yellow

We could have certain coloured bars on there (or tiny symbols) that way we wouldn't have to switch badges. Like, if our insignia is an eye, we could have a blue eye and then the name of the job underneath, and the eye would have a red iris outlined by a blue iris for someone who writes and draws, and stuff like that? I only suggest it to save people confusion. It might get confusing to keep up with all those badges.
We need to decide on our logo soon, to help with things....

[Elle]

I'm thinking we're going to need a poll or something to decide on colors. And a logo. =/
If we had a logo, I could make a few cobbled together test images and we could vote on them.

[MrEccentric]

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[Xerxies]

Wow. I didn't realize the color idea would be so popular. Ah well. I hope I get accepted as a writer/proofreader/translator/translation proofreader, that way I can get a neato colored shirt. That is hopefully not red.
I support (ha!) the idea of supporters as the redshirts, since while they are integral, they're the most...how should I say...expendable? Of the crew. XDDD

[MrEccentric]

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[Catty-the-spy]

SEE Staff has the following sections:
Mod
Writers
Proofreaders
Artists
Translators
Translation Proofers
Reasearch

Are we lumping all of the writers together?
Since out poor research person is all alone right now, we can put research with the mods.
Or we could do it:
Writers/Proofreaders - blue
Artists - red
Transltors/Translation Proofers - green (yes, I said green)
Mods/Researchers - yellow/gold

I said green cause:
1) It's a primary colour (green is one of the primary colours of light; yellow is one of the primary colours in...art)
2) I couldn't think of another colour
3) I like wearing blue

We could always keep them together and only have three colours (blue, red, yellow).
Thoughts? Anger? Funny faces?

[Mikkiness]

I love the eye idea, but what about green? you're all leaving it out. Just a thought, but maybe have an option for just part of the shirt to be colored, maybe the collar and sleeves or something.
Also, I remember that some places do like mugs that have a picture on them when you add hot water, that could be cool.
And definitely bags, I tend to wear a lot of sweatshirts, so a bag or jacket option would be brilliant.

EDIT: ok, someone said green, I dont really mind what colour I am btw.

[Xerxies]

I like to keep it with yellow, blue, and red, since they're Star Trek uniform colors? /hahah, nerd reason, I know.
But if others like green, that's fine too. Or we could throw in SILVER...You know...since in TNG it was a uniform color...Wesley Crusher wore it for a while. I have no idea why, or even what rank it is. XD

[Elle]

Wait. Why do the artists have to be red? -amused-
This is hilarious, actually, because no one really wants to be red. XD

I should add, so I don't look like a total bitch, that I don't really care, I just like light-hearted (Firefox says hearted isn't a word) snark. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings or anything.

[Xerxies]

Wait. Why do the artists have to be red? -amused-
This is hilarious, actually, because no one really wants to be red. XD
WELL DUH, WE DON'T WANT TO DIE ON AN AWAY MISSION IN AN INANE AND POINTLESS WAY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT ADVANCE THE PLOT AT ALL.
;D
Hence why I say the supporters should be redshirts.

[Elle]

WELL DUH, WE DON'T WANT TO DIE ON AN AWAY MISSION IN AN INANE AND POINTLESS WAY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT ADVANCE THE PLOT AT ALL.
;D
Hence why I say the supporters should be redshirts.
Proving my point exactly. :D

[Xerxies]

Proving my point exactly. :D

XDD You made a valid point, I wasn't going to refute it.

[MrEccentric]

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[Elle]

THAT IS CUTEST CAT-MONKEY I'VE EVER SEEN!!! But seriously. I love those. Pretty eye, too.

[Catty-the-spy]

Artists are red because I'm a proofreader and I want to be blue:D
I think he wore that silver thing because he had yet to go through the Academy. That, or that's what they stuck on people who were at the base end of the ship totem pole.
Nothing wrong with only part of the shirt being coloured (what would the base colour be? White?), I just thought it might be easier to find the coloured shirts.
(Maybe the base should be lavendar.)
(*hears crickets*)

Red has been given a bad name...but it's not all bad. TNG made red the colour to be. (Redshirts became goldshirts and continued to die.)(Though not as often, I think.)
(It sucked to be security, didn't it?)

So long as I'm blue I'll be (mostly) content.
I just need to be blue.
(Yay science!! The only consistent colour!)

ETA:
I love that eye!!!! Mr. E, I could kiss you!!
That's sort of what I meant. You drew it better than what I pictured.

The cat-monkey is so adorable!!! I want one! (Maybe we should nix the smileys and do cute animals? Cause the mod one so adorable...)
Your smileys are awesom btw, I just say cuteness and felt my DNA wake up.

[MrEccentric]

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[Elle]

(I don't know what they look like either)
And yeah, whole colored shirts would be cheaper.

[Xerxies]

Artists are red because I'm a proofreader and I want to be blue:D
I think he wore that silver thing because he had yet to go through the Academy. That, or that's what they stuck on people who were at the base end of the ship totem pole.
Nothing wrong with only part of the shirt being coloured (what would the base colour be? White?), I just thought it might be easier to find the coloured shirts.
(Maybe the base should be lavendar.)
(*hears crickets*)

Red has been given a bad name...but it's not all bad. TNG made red the colour to be. (Redshirts became goldshirts and continued to die.)(Though not as often, I think.)
(It sucked to be security, didn't it?)

So long as I'm blue I'll be (mostly) content.
I just need to be blue.
(Yay science!! The only consistent colour!)

XDD Lavender? ...Mmm...
I shot Lance a PM about joining The Team as a mix of things, but blue would be nice.
Ahh, that makes sense. He switched to redshirt after a while. Although Picard made red shirts epic, you do make a point.
Security got the short end of the stick. XDDD If you signed on for security, you were going to kick it, regardless. Signed on for engineering? Going to die without anyone even seeing your face when engineering was breached and you got spaced. Pretty much sucked.

[Catty-the-spy]

I think I'm on a listwriting kick. I've been doing those all day (and the day before...and the day before...and the day before...)
You're probably right about the shirts.

[Elle]

Ignore what was here before. What about the marketing colors? Seems I'm doing a bit of that, too. ^^

Also, do we want to order these already made, or sell iron-ons, or what? That seems to be rather important. Let me know and I'll start checking places.

So...much...editing...-dies-

[MrEccentric]

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[Catty-the-spy]

That's what it seems like...

Any votes otherwise?

I like icons (especially cute ones).
Where is our illustrious leader? He should give input.

Should we have the website on there too?

[Elle]

I think we should have the website on there somewhere, if we have room. And the icons. Because they are cute.

[MrEccentric]

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[Elle]

Perhaps in smaller print underneath the design on the front?

[Catty-the-spy]

Under the logo...under the slogan...on the back under the icons.

We should have room, so long as the icons aren't huge (and I doubt they will be, if people are going to have more than one).

[MrEccentric]

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[Mikkiness]

Love the ideas, maybe put the website between the shoulders, so maybe a handwidth below the neckline? with the icon just beneath and the job name right below that?

EDIT, oh yeah, didn't think about that, what about like sort of just above the hips on the back?

[Elle]

-pokes edited post from earlier-

We could always have it printed a little lower, like about the middle, on the back? It wouldn't look as nice, though. =/

[Xerxies]

What if the website was on both the front and the back? I have thigh-length hair...so if it was on the back it might get a little covered.
I agree with everything else.

[MrEccentric]

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[Catty-the-spy]

That works too... (the front and back idea) they can catch at as we walk towards them as well as while we walk away.
(Don't go there...)
Icon size...about the size of a hand. That way it's not to big, bit it's not miniscule either. We don't want to go too large, for those people who have more than one job....

I'm also all for the contrast. It needs to contrast, to be readable. Or we could just print it in black....

(You know...I feel like I'm doing more record-keeping than proofing.
Should I try to be listed as official list-maker?)

[Mikkiness]

Yeah, front and back for the website. and Xerxies, thigh length hair? like for real? oh man I am so jealous. What colour is it?

[Lance]

Hey guys! Here are some thoughts about T-shirts.

The multi-colored shirts will only suffice if we end up with a large enough order of them. To my knowledge, shirts are cheaper when you have a larger order of them, correct? So if we were to do team shirts it'd probably be best to get some designs together, but hold off until we have gained a little bit more momentum. I would LOVE to do the multi-colored levels shirts if we have enough members on the team (which we have a good amount, but we still could use more).

As far as putting the website on there: yes, yes, and yes.

I would really like a t-shirt that would be kind of an "ad" shirt of sorts that says in big print on the front, like this

SEE
THE
LOVE

(maybe something kind of like the LOVE IS THE MOVEMENT t-shirts? -- google it if you don't know what I'm talking about)

or something to that effect. I think it would be something that would make eyebrow's raise and effectively get people asking questions. Thoughts?

Keep up the good work guys.

[Xerxies]

That works too... (the front and back idea) they can catch at as we walk towards them as well as while we walk away.
(Don't go there...)
Icon size...about the size of a hand. That way it's not to big, bit it's not miniscule either. We don't want to go too large, for those people who have more than one job....

I'm also all for the contrast. It needs to contrast, to be readable. Or we could just print it in black....

(You know...I feel like I'm doing more record-keeping than proofing.
Should I try to be listed as official list-maker?)
As we walk towards them AND as we walk away? So they're watching our bum? OBBY! /sorry, I HAD to go there
Hmm. The icon size seems about right...Especially since a lot of people will have upwards of three or four jobs.
Yes, we need to have the icons and the shirt back contrast as well, very important. Needs to be readable from a distance.

[Elle]

And looking at these (http://blanktshirt.com/) prices, we might need to do some fundraising, as much as I hate to say it.

[MrEccentric]

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[Xerxies]

Yeah, front and back for the website. and Xerxies, thigh length hair? like for real? oh man I am so jealous. What colour is it?
NO, I'M LYING. I AM ACTUALLY A MAN WITH A SHAVED HEAD, AND I'M 72.
/dies laughing
Yeah, for real. It's dark red...RR04 loreal preference if you happen to live in the hair color aisle of a store. XD Used to be dirty/sandy blond, I looked really washed out. Uh, I guess I should supply a picture of my current hair color for people who don't know what color RR04 is: http://xerxies19.deviantart.com/art/Fulfilling-a-Promise-114691966
My face also happens to be attached. That occurs on occasion. :/

[Mikkiness]

Ok, I'm willing to help out with that, maybe we should set up a thread for people willing to help fundraise?

[Elle]

It'd be so cool if in the future our group gets super big and we have a convention just for SEE and we get wear these t-shirts.. ^___^ *fantasizes*

I think the icon size is good. Not too small or big. We would need to make them look super simple. Well, I'm gonna go try to spread the word around.

I like how the LOVE IS THE MOVENT shirt is. Will that leave enough room for logo?
Well, if we got big enough, we could always go for booths at conventions...But that's thinking really far ahead.
How many shirts are we thinking we'll need? These (http://instashirt.com/pricelist/Value_tee.htm) are a better price, but I'd need to know how many, what colors, etc, to even get a ballpark of how much cash we'd need.

[Elle]

Ok, I'm willing to help out with that, maybe we should set up a thread for people willing to help fundraise?

That would be great! Wanna be my partner in cri-er, fundraising and marketing? There's no way I can do this on my own. XD

[Mikkiness]

Yeah yeah, laugh at my long hair obssession. But wow, your hair is so pretty, want to trade?

[Xerxies]

Yeah yeah, laugh at my long hair obssession. But wow, your hair is so pretty, want to trade?

XDD I wasn't laughing at you, I was just making fun of the internet in general. How you never know who you're actually talking to. But...no, I kinda like my hair. As hard as it is to dye. @_@;

[Catty-the-spy]

(I'm serious about the list-maker thing. Does that count as a job? Or is it OCD, cause...I like lists a little too much.)
We definitly need more crewmembers before we start with the shirts. We should mix this with a fundraiser for sure...
Maybe have shirt orders be a fundraiser type thing?
Did that make sense?

(Why did you go there Xerxies? Why?) (May I call you Stephanie?)


Maybe we should start with basic SEE Support shirts, and then (when we can afford it) go for the SEE Staff shirts?
That way we know for sure that we'll have a need to differenciate (sp?) between Staff and Support. (Pain makes my spelling worse. Fogive?)

[Elle]

I like Catty's idea. Then we could save the profits and use them for the website, flyers, staff shirts, -cough-conventions-cough-, postage, etc.

We're going to need a treasurer. Not it. I'll help with the leg work and stuff, but I don't want to be responsible for money.

[Mikkiness]

Ok, I just set up a basic thread for the fundraising effort.
Yes Catty, you should be our official list maker.
And yeas, basic support shirts to start with I think, its more cost effective.
Also Xerxies, you should be laughing, I have psychically murdered 2 movie charcters by glaring for daring to be able to have long hair, Olive Hoover from Little Miss Sunshine and Uhura. You never know, you could be next.

[Catty-the-spy]

I'm happy to keep making lists (it makes me feel useful, and less...compelled).

You're right about the treasurer thing (NOT IT!!!!!), so... Anybody out there like numbers?

Now we need a basic shirt design.

[Xerxies]

(I'm serious about the list-maker thing. Does that count as a job? Or is it OCD, cause...I like lists a little too much.)
We definitly need more crewmembers before we start with the shirts. We should mix this with a fundraiser for sure...
Maybe have shirt orders be a fundraiser type thing?
Did that make sense?

(Why did you go there Xerxies? Why?) (May I call you Stephanie?)


Maybe we should start with basic SEE Support shirts, and then (when we can afford it) go for the SEE Staff shirts?
That way we know for sure that we'll have a need to differenciate (sp?) between Staff and Support. (Pain makes my spelling worse. Fogive?)

BECAUSE IT WAS WAITING THERE, ASKING ME TO! XD Sure, you can call me Stephanie, assuming there aren't any other Stephanies lurking. I'm a mod of a guild on Gaia, have been for about a year now, and one of the other five mods is also named Stephanie. XD For a while we were the only two non-captain/vice-captain mods, so it was a running joke you had to be named Stephanie to be a mod. There are too many people with my name running around.

Basic shirts sound good, then an upgrade for the epic staff. ;D

[Xerxies]

Ok, I just set up a basic thread for the fundraising effort.
Yes Catty, you should be our official list maker.
And yeas, basic support shirts to start with I think, its more cost effective.
Also Xerxies, you should be laughing, I have psychically murdered 2 movie charcters by glaring for daring to be able to have long hair, Olive Hoover from Little Miss Sunshine and Uhura. You never know, you could be next.
...Oh dear. That is terribly distressing. Thank goodness my own epic will protect me. ;D /not actually this egotistical, is just joking around

[Catty-the-spy]

I don't think there are any other Stephanie's running around. (I was trying to make a list earlier, but the lack of info made my brain hurt so I set it aside.)
(It has the username, country/state, age, RL name, job (if applicable).) (Not all of the staffers are here yet, and if they are, some of them didn't say so in the Intro thread.)

Basic shirt ideas anyone?

[MrEccentric]

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[Catty-the-spy]

K...so now we need the slogan.
Is it going to have and quirky sayings? Are we going to have more than one catchphrase?
(Would we be able to afford to have two t-shirt designs available for SEE Support?)

[Elle]

So, the supporter stuff we could use Cafepress, or Zazzle or something, or try and host it off of the website. Thoughts?

[Mikkiness]

I like Zazzle, its really well laid out and has heaps of options. Cafepress' layout really confused me, I couldn't figere out what the options were there. But, CAfepress is what we use at fictionalley, and I really like the range available there. But I do think it will be easiest to use something like that instead of doing it ourselves.

[Catty-the-spy]

Good idea, because I'm good at writing and making lists...not t-shirts.

I'm so happy we're all full of ideas.

[Elle]

Anyone else have a preferance?
That seems to be two(?) votes for Cafepress.

[Xerxies]

I have no opinion. I'm not really familiar with either.

[Elle]

Alright. I'll give Lance time to answer and give me final word, and if it's ok and some other things don't fall through, I can set it up tommorow. If that's cool with everyone.

[Catty-the-spy]

That's cool. Lance needs to final-word lots of stuff.

[Lance]

Hey, thanks for offering to set up an account. I'd go ahead and say Cafepress, because I'm familiar with it. If you set up an account, though, shoot me a message giving me the login information and such. I would like to be able to have access to it, although of course I will not be managing it primarily. I have a few other things to do... which today I have be procrastinating. I apologize guys, but today my brain just kind of took a vacation. But I'm about to get back to work after I finish my dinner. And I probably won't stop until very, very late. Seems to be a recurring theme of late. Haha.

Anywho, sorry, I didn't mean to get OT, but I agree for the most part with everything that's been said here. Again, thanks Elle for offering to take the initiative to create the account, and let me know when you do!

[Elle]

Oh. hi there Lance. XD -readspost-

Edit again- I'll probably do it either later or tomorrow, but I'll let you know. Thanks!

[Crazy Like a Fawkes]

Hi. I'm too lazy to read all of that. :P Can some one catch me up on the whole shirts business?

[Catty-the-spy]

@Fawkes: We decided to give separate colours for staff divisions, t-shirt wise. Staff shirts had symbols relating to their tasks on the back, the SEE logo and stuff on front.
Then we decided to wait on those until we had either more Staff or more Support, or both.
Now we're talking about actually setting up accounts for stuff and figuring out what we want the shirts to look like.
Do you want the specifics, or is that good enough?

@Lance: Does this mean I can be official (excess)list-maker?
:)

[Crazy Like a Fawkes]

No, that's fine. Thank you :)

[Elle]

We need a treasurer before I can set up shop, because I'll need an address for them to send the checks to.

[Lance]

What address would you need for this? Would it be sent to a regular mailing address, or would the check need to go directly to a bank? Speaking of Banks, whomever decides to be treasurer (I'll take responsibility if no other volunteers will do it) will probably need to set up a bank account (eventually) for SEE as a non-profit organization. Thoughts?

[Elle]

If I'm reading this correctly, we'd need a regular mailing address.

[Lance]

Okay. Well, how about this: hold off on setting up the account. If we do not have a treasurer by Friday of next week at noon, then I will send you my mailing address to link to the account. Yes?

[Elle]

Sounds fair. ^_^

[Andrina]

So long as Proofreaders/Writers aren't redshirts....
Hmm...eyes? Sounds okay. Maybe binoculars?
Not just t-shirts either. Like, we could have hats and bags (because it would be easier for me to show it off everywhere if it was a bag, but that's just me).

mwa!!
p.s.: Happy pre- Fourth of July!!!

I totally agree! The colors are a great idea. I am a writer so please don't red shirt me.lol I am no artist but if I see anything that screams SEE I will let you guys know!

[DAzebras]

So, the supporter stuff we could use Cafepress, or Zazzle or something, or try and host it off of the website. Thoughts?

I vote for Cafepress. I'm not familiar with the other site.

[DAzebras]

Also posted under the fundraising/financial thread.

I like T-shirts. Someone make some, and I'll definitely wear one. Plus it'll double as advetising--people will see it and ask questions. It'll kill two birds with one stone. I know we already have a CafePress account, but we need to make some merch to put up there.

Ideas for shirts:
We need team shirts for our writers, artists, mods, etc.
We could put the verticle art that's on the front page down one side of the shirt [w/o the 'sign the petition' part].
A simple SEE It or similar message on the front with our eye logo on the back or sleeve.

We really need a short, concise mission statement we can put on these things. Like a tagline. Anyone good with advertising?

[Catty-the-spy]

This was suggested under the slogans thread a while back: "SEE Trek -- Supporting Social Equality in Mainstream Media".
Would that work (without the "Trek")?
(I say "without the Trek", because SEE is about more than just Trek.)

[Mandiranda]

I think staff shirts are great! There'd be one for proofreaders/editors, right? Cuz that's what I am. n_n I vote cafepress as well. They've always seemed to have reasonable prices. Also, with cafepress, you can make stickers, mugs, buttons... There's a lot of possibility for SEE merchandise.

[Catty-the-spy]

I like T-shirts. Someone make some, and I'll definitely wear one. Plus it'll double as advetising--people will see it and ask questions. It'll kill two birds with one stone. I know we already have a CafePress account, but we need to make some merch to put up there.

Ideas for shirts:
We need team shirts for our writers, artists, mods, etc.
We could put the verticle art that's on the front page down one side of the shirt [w/o the 'sign the petition' part].
A simple SEE It or similar message on the front with our eye logo on the back or sleeve.

We really need a short, concise mission statement we can put on these things. Like a tagline. Anyone good with advertising?


We already discussed team shirts. (I'm too lazy to quote myself, so just know that Red=Artists, Green-Trans/transproofers, Blue=writers/proofers, yellow=mods,research,administration. So far anyway. Now that there's further departmental division, we might have to expand on that. Anyway, I'll find that post later, when I'm not feeling lazy.)
Vertical art sounds like a good idea.

I like your idea for shirts. Though...I've never been fully comfortable in a T-shirt with art down one side while the other-side is artless. Maybe we could do mirror art? Like, art down both sides and message in the middle; mission statement type thing on the back, logo on the back or sleeves?

Also, if we do decide on a cartoon type thing (discussion in another thread) we could do somthing similar, with the mission statement on the back or under whatever slogan or just the pic?
Did that make sense?

And we could have others with just the logo and the mission statement (or something like that).

All ideas come with website placement mentioned earlier in the thread.

[DAzebras]

We already discussed team shirts. (I'm too lazy to quote myself, so just know that Red=Artists, Green-Trans/transproofers, Blue=writers/proofers, yellow=mods,research,administration.


Yes, I remember reading that on here. The point is that someone actually needs to make them. [Preferably without Comic Sans lettering.]

Also, if we do decide on a cartoon type thing (discussion in another thread) we could do somthing similar, with the mission statement on the back or under whatever slogan or just the pic?
Did that make sense?


You mean the cyclops thing? I saw a thread talking about that...

[Mandiranda]

I think that a bunch of different shirt designs could be made using cafepress, so there can be just a standard SEE shirt, maybe SEE Trek specifically, team shirts, ect. I don't think it costs anything to put one up for sale. I am not an expert, but I think that you make different designs and are charged individually.
Here is a bit of info on the shops, which would be where you sell everything:

"What CafePress.com does
1. Gives you a FREE online shop to promote your products
2. Produces each item when ordered using our unique print-on-demand technology
3. Handles all payment transactions including major credit cards
4. Ships your products worldwide
5. Manages all returns/exchanges
6. Offers customer service via toll-free phone and email
7. Sends you a monthly check for your earnings on sales! "
I think with shops, you take the price of the shirt, then add to it for profit.

There are two types of shops; basic,which is free, and then premium, which has a price per month "as low as $4.99".

"Basic Shops
With our Basic Shop you have the ability to sell over 80 products in a simple one-page shop.
Again our Basic Shops are free of charge. You can open as many as you need. Basic Shops are the simple and easy way to start selling with CafePress.com."

"Premium Shops
Premium Shops are for those shopkeepers serious about making money! You'll have the ability to create a custom shopping experience with unlimited selection of products and multi-level pages. All for less than what you spend on lunch."

[Catty-the-spy]

Well...I brought up the cyclops, but there's potential for other things there (Elle suggested a cat-monkey, I suggested the cyclops). That discussion is still ongoing.

Part of the reason we haven't made them is because of the evil fickle device called "money" that (if I remember correctly) we don't have enough of. We want the shirts, and we'll get them eventually, but we can't afford it quite yet. (If I'm wrong, someone correct me.)

And I think first we need to decide on general support shirts, because there are people here that aren't team and we don't want to leave them out, especially if we're going to profit off of this.

((Generally I dislike Comic Sans in large batches of text. In small doses it's alright, but in giant paragraphs it's a bit dizzying.))

EDIT:: Thank you Mandy, I didn't know all of that.

[Mandiranda]

Perhaps we can include the eye we've been using? Maybe, to catch people's eye and to generally have a cool shirt, we could think about using some of the art on the main page? That's pretty cool artwork, eye-catching... We have to think about creating a shirt that will be cool to wear AND get the site and info out there.

[Catty-the-spy]

So....:
T-Shirt Ideas: (for SEE Support)
black/white
-- Logo/slogan & web address
-- Art (that's on our main page) down side (one or both?), sans "sign the petition"
-- Cute character/slogan & web adress

--Mini-mission (maybe?) "SEE: Supporting Social Equality in Mainstream Media"

((I'm pulling these from all over the thread. Someone, if I missed something, help me out!!!))
Going by what Mandy's said, we can sell t-shirts without worrying too much about funding because the site charges per shirt(?)(meaning, the price of making the shirt is included in the price of the shirt when sold)(yes?). If so, all we need to do is decide on the shirts that we're selling and finalize designs.

I'm still firmly of the opinion that we should wait to do team shirts until we have a wider base/more momentum. I think we should start with SEE Support shirts first, and then - after we've been around a while - start selling SEE Staff shirts.
((That's part of the reason I only brought up SEE Support shirts in my mini-list. I am only one person making a list to try and keep things organized because the thread is getting a little long. My word is not final; I'm just tossing out ideas. I can be easily over ruled or ignored.))

If you think we should do team shirts first we can.


(::On a random slogan idea front::) "I am SEE Support" or "I Support SEE" as a slogan for a SEE Support shirt?

So...Yes? No? Comments? Suggestions? Screams? Flying Fruit? Funny Faces? Pitchforks?

[f4ngy]

I kind of have a concern about using a character on the shirts/with SEE.

I'm not sure if it'd really be an issue, but I'm wondering if we used a cute character on the shirts, would people see the character and disregard the text? :confused: I think having the text alone might make more of an impact/look more professional. >.<; that's just my opinion though, and I might be worried over nothing.