spookyfbi
07-13-2009, 11:43 AM
Here's somethign I wrote a while back after seeing the movie for the fourth time, I thought you guys'd find it interesting.
First off, what fortuitous circumstance was it that allowed these two lines to be placed right next to each other?
Kirk: I feel like I’m leaking
Bones: It’s that green-blooded hobgoblin!
Can’t remember the exact lines, but I can say for certain that Bones mentioned Spock just after Kirk said that he was leaking. It made me think dirty thoughts which involved Spock causing Kirk to… ahem… leak. Yes. Anyway…
Something else that struck me, too. I actually think that Spock & Uhura broke up at some point during the movie. I also think that… something else happened that we didn’t see, most likely between Kirk & Spock. Exactly what that something was is up to the individual viewer, but there’s definitely a scene missing. Let me explain.
Ok, let’s start off with Spock and Uhura. There is a scene where Spock says to Kirk something along the lines of “If we don’t make it out alive, please tell Lieutenant Uhura…” then Kirk interrupts him. It’s easy to assume that Spock was going to say something like “please tell Lieutenant Uhura that I love her”, but we don’t really know what he was going to say. Also, wouldn’t he say “please tell Nyota that I love her” rather than the more formal “Lieutenant Uhura”? Then we have the scene near the end between the two Spocks. Young Spock says that he plans to go to Vulcan to propagate the species. And he’s not talking about with Uhura, he means with Vulcan women. Any way you slice it, that’s gotta cause at least some kind of rift between them. But when Spock returns, Uhura looks pleased as punch, like he didn’t suggest to her that he have an affair with a whole bunch of Vulcan chicks. Well, he wouldn’t have if he was no longer in a relationship with her. We’ve also got the fact that, when Uhura says that she’ll be monitoring his frequency as he & Kirk are about to beam onto Nero’s ship, Spock says thank you, like he wasn’t expecting her to do that. If you were in a relationship with someone, wouldn’t you be expecting them to be keeping an eye on you? Or is he really saying ‘thank you for still being friends with me after I broke up with you’?
Now for the missing scene. It occurred somewhere between Spock strangling Kirk, and Spock returning and calmly saying that he was going to beam onto Nero’s ship. I mean, this is a huge 180 degree change here, and it happened in such a seemingly short space of time. What happened to change it? Spock had a conversation with his father, where he expressed anger towards those who killed his mother, an anger that he couldn’t control, as we saw demonstrated earlier. His father’s solution? Don’t control it. Are we really expected to believe that not controlling his anger allows Spock to be calm? Spock has always, always, always found sanctuary in controlling his emotions. He explained this in Plato’s Stepchildren
Spock: Captain
Kirk: Yes, Spock
Spock: Do you still feel anger toward Parmin?
Kirk: Great anger
Spock: And you, Doctor McCoy?
McCoy: Yes, Spock. Great anger. And hatred.
Spock: Then you must release it, Gentlemen, as I must master mine.
In order for Spock to have been as calm as he was in the next scene, something else had to have happened. I don’t know what exactly, but I’m fairly certain that Spock and Kirk also shared a scene together at some point during this time too. When Spock volunteers to go to Nero’s ship, Kirk says that he is going with Spock. He says it as though he expects no argument, and Spock just accepts it. In the previous scene, he was about to kill Kirk. Kirk said some pretty awful things to Spock, about Spock not loving his mother, his mother who had just died. Then in the next scene, they’re suddenly bffs like nothing happened? That’s not something you forgive all that easily. Something else happened in between those scenes, where Kirk at the very least apologized and explained his actions (as best he could without mentioning Spock Prime). Spock says something about citing regulations being a waste of time, and then Kirk said something like “see, you’re getting to know me already”, but the way he said it sounded like it was a reference to an earlier conversation, one that we didn’t get to see. Once they’re on Spock Prime’s ship, Spock says to Kirk something like “You know more than you are telling me”, but again, we didn’t get to see Kirk tell Spock anything. There are clearly scenes that we have missed. Whether the scene between Spock and Kirk is the same scene that helped Spock to calm down significantly after the choking scene, and what exactly occurred in these scenes is anyone’s guess, really. But then, speculation about what we didn’t see is what fandom is all about, right? Discuss.
Probably not the author's intent, but it would work very well retroactively if they did want to find a way around the S/U thing to make K/S happen...
First off, what fortuitous circumstance was it that allowed these two lines to be placed right next to each other?
Kirk: I feel like I’m leaking
Bones: It’s that green-blooded hobgoblin!
Can’t remember the exact lines, but I can say for certain that Bones mentioned Spock just after Kirk said that he was leaking. It made me think dirty thoughts which involved Spock causing Kirk to… ahem… leak. Yes. Anyway…
Something else that struck me, too. I actually think that Spock & Uhura broke up at some point during the movie. I also think that… something else happened that we didn’t see, most likely between Kirk & Spock. Exactly what that something was is up to the individual viewer, but there’s definitely a scene missing. Let me explain.
Ok, let’s start off with Spock and Uhura. There is a scene where Spock says to Kirk something along the lines of “If we don’t make it out alive, please tell Lieutenant Uhura…” then Kirk interrupts him. It’s easy to assume that Spock was going to say something like “please tell Lieutenant Uhura that I love her”, but we don’t really know what he was going to say. Also, wouldn’t he say “please tell Nyota that I love her” rather than the more formal “Lieutenant Uhura”? Then we have the scene near the end between the two Spocks. Young Spock says that he plans to go to Vulcan to propagate the species. And he’s not talking about with Uhura, he means with Vulcan women. Any way you slice it, that’s gotta cause at least some kind of rift between them. But when Spock returns, Uhura looks pleased as punch, like he didn’t suggest to her that he have an affair with a whole bunch of Vulcan chicks. Well, he wouldn’t have if he was no longer in a relationship with her. We’ve also got the fact that, when Uhura says that she’ll be monitoring his frequency as he & Kirk are about to beam onto Nero’s ship, Spock says thank you, like he wasn’t expecting her to do that. If you were in a relationship with someone, wouldn’t you be expecting them to be keeping an eye on you? Or is he really saying ‘thank you for still being friends with me after I broke up with you’?
Now for the missing scene. It occurred somewhere between Spock strangling Kirk, and Spock returning and calmly saying that he was going to beam onto Nero’s ship. I mean, this is a huge 180 degree change here, and it happened in such a seemingly short space of time. What happened to change it? Spock had a conversation with his father, where he expressed anger towards those who killed his mother, an anger that he couldn’t control, as we saw demonstrated earlier. His father’s solution? Don’t control it. Are we really expected to believe that not controlling his anger allows Spock to be calm? Spock has always, always, always found sanctuary in controlling his emotions. He explained this in Plato’s Stepchildren
Spock: Captain
Kirk: Yes, Spock
Spock: Do you still feel anger toward Parmin?
Kirk: Great anger
Spock: And you, Doctor McCoy?
McCoy: Yes, Spock. Great anger. And hatred.
Spock: Then you must release it, Gentlemen, as I must master mine.
In order for Spock to have been as calm as he was in the next scene, something else had to have happened. I don’t know what exactly, but I’m fairly certain that Spock and Kirk also shared a scene together at some point during this time too. When Spock volunteers to go to Nero’s ship, Kirk says that he is going with Spock. He says it as though he expects no argument, and Spock just accepts it. In the previous scene, he was about to kill Kirk. Kirk said some pretty awful things to Spock, about Spock not loving his mother, his mother who had just died. Then in the next scene, they’re suddenly bffs like nothing happened? That’s not something you forgive all that easily. Something else happened in between those scenes, where Kirk at the very least apologized and explained his actions (as best he could without mentioning Spock Prime). Spock says something about citing regulations being a waste of time, and then Kirk said something like “see, you’re getting to know me already”, but the way he said it sounded like it was a reference to an earlier conversation, one that we didn’t get to see. Once they’re on Spock Prime’s ship, Spock says to Kirk something like “You know more than you are telling me”, but again, we didn’t get to see Kirk tell Spock anything. There are clearly scenes that we have missed. Whether the scene between Spock and Kirk is the same scene that helped Spock to calm down significantly after the choking scene, and what exactly occurred in these scenes is anyone’s guess, really. But then, speculation about what we didn’t see is what fandom is all about, right? Discuss.
Probably not the author's intent, but it would work very well retroactively if they did want to find a way around the S/U thing to make K/S happen...